tikka
07-04 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by Macaca ( add ons from forum in red)
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
� USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
� Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
� Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
� Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
� Spouse can work.
� Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
� Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
� Rejected June filers can not file.
� June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
� Fees more then doubling
� Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
� Load balancing for USCIS.
� USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
� Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
� Many had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH.
� Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.
The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt
Age out situations with children
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008. The original July brought great relief from years of worrying about whether our PD would become "current" in time. We scrambled to get ready to file 2nd July, only to have everything collapse around us again
Hope the info clarifies the "age out" situation!
For "Spouse can work" we might want to word it such that it just does not look like one job less for Americans. Something like spouse can exercise the freedom to get out of the house and contribute to the American economy.
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
� USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
� Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
� Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
� Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
� Spouse can work.
� Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
� Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
� Rejected June filers can not file.
� June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
� Fees more then doubling
� Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
� Load balancing for USCIS.
� USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
� Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
� Many had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH.
� Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.
The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt
Age out situations with children
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008. The original July brought great relief from years of worrying about whether our PD would become "current" in time. We scrambled to get ready to file 2nd July, only to have everything collapse around us again
Hope the info clarifies the "age out" situation!
For "Spouse can work" we might want to word it such that it just does not look like one job less for Americans. Something like spouse can exercise the freedom to get out of the house and contribute to the American economy.
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BharatPremi
07-13 11:49 AM
All I'm saying is, there's good and bad everywhere, and Canada, always rates highly.
Like you however, I'm here because I like it here. Frankly, after Canada, the weather in California is too hard to give up :)
In the end, as you say, it's all objective.
And who rates Canada highly? That requires a different forum for debating but I am just giving you the hint that it is international scam to rate it high.. That is the subject of politics and we would not start debating that at least on this forum..
Like you however, I'm here because I like it here. Frankly, after Canada, the weather in California is too hard to give up :)
In the end, as you say, it's all objective.
And who rates Canada highly? That requires a different forum for debating but I am just giving you the hint that it is international scam to rate it high.. That is the subject of politics and we would not start debating that at least on this forum..
snathan
05-01 04:46 PM
Well said! Being an Indian-Tamilian, it pains to see the whole SL Tamil community caught between the devil (LTTE) and deep sea (SL govt). The SL gov't has used this war cleverly to nurture the hatred between SL Tamil minority and Sinhala majority deep, very deep almost to the point of no return.
Thomas Jefferson, once said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "
I really believe Jefferson's worst fear is playing out in Sri Lanka.
Discalimer: I dont support LTTE. Also, I was pained and frustated equally when terrorists killed innocent Indian civilians. So, pls. don't jump on me on that account!
I second this..
Thomas Jefferson, once said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "
I really believe Jefferson's worst fear is playing out in Sri Lanka.
Discalimer: I dont support LTTE. Also, I was pained and frustated equally when terrorists killed innocent Indian civilians. So, pls. don't jump on me on that account!
I second this..
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gc4me
02-14 08:22 AM
Guys/Gals,
Looks like endless discussion is going on here..
I think that USCIS has done some injustice with EB3 ROW. And I would like to talk to an attorney about the possibilities to sue the USCIS about this. I need some people with me so that we can better explain our issues and form a group to ease the process.
Please send me PM if you agree with my view and want to go forward.
Looks like endless discussion is going on here..
I think that USCIS has done some injustice with EB3 ROW. And I would like to talk to an attorney about the possibilities to sue the USCIS about this. I need some people with me so that we can better explain our issues and form a group to ease the process.
Please send me PM if you agree with my view and want to go forward.
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HereIComeGC
02-15 12:46 PM
Oh and by the way, if people sue and WIN lawsuits for "COFFEE BEING TOO HOT" or the one "McDonalds made me fat" This one has much more credibility
"CLASS ACTION AGAINST USCIS? My god, you have no idea what you're talking about"
Freedom without violence?? Man on the Moon?
Sounds familiar?
You would have said few months back "GC without FBI Namechecks? You have no idea what you are talking about"
You can't win if you don't even try. Simple as that. At the minimum, lawsuit will highlight all the issues in the broken process and get some serious media action.
"CLASS ACTION AGAINST USCIS? My god, you have no idea what you're talking about"
Freedom without violence?? Man on the Moon?
Sounds familiar?
You would have said few months back "GC without FBI Namechecks? You have no idea what you are talking about"
You can't win if you don't even try. Simple as that. At the minimum, lawsuit will highlight all the issues in the broken process and get some serious media action.
fairman
08-16 12:26 PM
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Mamooty.. who is he?
One Mallu actor ( got national award etc.)
Mamooty.. who is he?
One Mallu actor ( got national award etc.)
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kondur_007
07-22 02:22 PM
kondur_007, u know how to make us laughing in a stiuation like this. your post at the end makes me keep laughing.:D
Thank you very much...but somehow, I woke up sarcastic today!!! i hope i did not offend anyone...else I will get some REDS...:mad::mad::mad:
Just joking again....:p
Thank you very much...but somehow, I woke up sarcastic today!!! i hope i did not offend anyone...else I will get some REDS...:mad::mad::mad:
Just joking again....:p
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rick_rajvanshi
03-20 11:27 AM
You can renew your permanent resident card only if you lived in canada for atleast 2 years in 5 years. And to get the card, you need to get a guarantor signature who knows you for atleast 2 years e.g. a physician, attorney, etc
If you dont have guarantor - you can use any public notary - not a big deal . they 'll sign your PR Card application for $60 Canadian per application - This is only for people who are already a landed immigrant and do not have a plastic PR Card. You can also keep traveling to Canada without a Plastic PR Card ( for your US visa renewals etc. ) but in your own car only. But the max limit is 3 years from the date you have first landed - You must start maintaining your residence in Canada with in these 3 years before your residency becomes invalid.
If you dont have guarantor - you can use any public notary - not a big deal . they 'll sign your PR Card application for $60 Canadian per application - This is only for people who are already a landed immigrant and do not have a plastic PR Card. You can also keep traveling to Canada without a Plastic PR Card ( for your US visa renewals etc. ) but in your own car only. But the max limit is 3 years from the date you have first landed - You must start maintaining your residence in Canada with in these 3 years before your residency becomes invalid.
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coopheal
01-14 08:13 AM
I agree with you completely. I don't know what Infy and Wipro are doing with their money but TCS was filling Tata Motors and Tata Steel historically. Also buying companies like Land Rover and Jaguar while screwing their employees.
Are they using TCS money to subsidize Tata Nano?
Comments like these are just giving fodder to anits. Then they take comments like these and frame them in "out of context" way to put unfair restrictions on all of us. Recent example is how BW had used parts of IV threads to justify killing H1B and GC programs.
Are they using TCS money to subsidize Tata Nano?
Comments like these are just giving fodder to anits. Then they take comments like these and frame them in "out of context" way to put unfair restrictions on all of us. Recent example is how BW had used parts of IV threads to justify killing H1B and GC programs.
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shreekhand
08-15 01:40 PM
Couldn't have agreed any more than this:
Don't make a big deal of Shah Rukh's detention:One For The Road:Anand Soondas's blog-The Times Of India (http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/onefortheroad/entry/don-t-make-a-big)
Don't make a big deal of Shah Rukh's detention:One For The Road:Anand Soondas's blog-The Times Of India (http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/onefortheroad/entry/don-t-make-a-big)
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txh1b
08-18 03:53 PM
This thread is a drag and a waste of IV resources. I hope the admins lock this thread.
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gcfriend65
06-28 10:19 AM
Demand for Visa numbers is very high from India. Even, China does not need that much. Thats why EB-2 last month China was Jan. 2006. So, it is only India. Rest of World (ROW) is very miniscule, except our previous Masters 'GREAT Britain' where all the 'babus' come from under EB-1.
Can somebody please provide some information interms of country quota? This 40000 can be used for any country? Or if India and China used their quota and still visa's left, next visa bulletin may show retrogession for India and China and current for other countries?
Can somebody please provide some information interms of country quota? This 40000 can be used for any country? Or if India and China used their quota and still visa's left, next visa bulletin may show retrogession for India and China and current for other countries?
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sachug22
06-11 09:22 AM
I guess my 9 months old prediction is coming true (off by a month).
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/1049939-post209.html
I have built a very simple EB2-I Visa predition model
Making following assumption
15000 new EB2 ROW I-485 applications
12000 new EB1 I-485 applications
EB4/EB5 use 70% of allocated visa (30% spillover)
EB2 Visa Bulletin prediction for FY 2010
Bulletin Quarterly-spillover Annual Spillover
Oct-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Nov-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Dec-09 31-Mar-2005 1-Feb-2005
Jan-10 31-Mar-2005 15-Feb-2005
Feb-10 31-Mar-2005 31-Mar-2005
Mar-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Apr-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
May-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jun-10 15-Oct-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jul-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Sep-2005
Aug-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Apr-2007
Sep-10 31-Mar-2007 30-May-2007
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/1049939-post209.html
I have built a very simple EB2-I Visa predition model
Making following assumption
15000 new EB2 ROW I-485 applications
12000 new EB1 I-485 applications
EB4/EB5 use 70% of allocated visa (30% spillover)
EB2 Visa Bulletin prediction for FY 2010
Bulletin Quarterly-spillover Annual Spillover
Oct-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Nov-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Dec-09 31-Mar-2005 1-Feb-2005
Jan-10 31-Mar-2005 15-Feb-2005
Feb-10 31-Mar-2005 31-Mar-2005
Mar-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Apr-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
May-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jun-10 15-Oct-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jul-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Sep-2005
Aug-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Apr-2007
Sep-10 31-Mar-2007 30-May-2007
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tikka
07-04 09:28 AM
I meant a scan of the other 100 page thread Breaking news. I did not follow that thread and it has lot of issues. Please summarize them here.
I will add issues from here! thanks
yeah thats what i meant.
the adds on in red are from the other thread....breaking news...
I will add issues from here! thanks
yeah thats what i meant.
the adds on in red are from the other thread....breaking news...
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ragz4u
02-06 02:07 PM
I dont think that you HAVE TO file I-140 within 60 days after labor is approved.
--logiclife.
I had read when this was proposed last time that if this is implemented, the employer will have 45 days from the date of labor approval to file for the I-140. What this prevents is sale of labors (illegaly obviously). A lot of labors from 2001/2002 were on sale till sometime ago (2005) on Sulekha. If/When this law is implemented, buying a labor will get you ahead of the queue by a max of 45 days instead of the 3/4 years today.
--logiclife.
I had read when this was proposed last time that if this is implemented, the employer will have 45 days from the date of labor approval to file for the I-140. What this prevents is sale of labors (illegaly obviously). A lot of labors from 2001/2002 were on sale till sometime ago (2005) on Sulekha. If/When this law is implemented, buying a labor will get you ahead of the queue by a max of 45 days instead of the 3/4 years today.
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dilipcr
06-11 11:49 PM
People need to understand that you need to give some to win some. I would like to propose to IV a kind of proposal that would be a win win for both the immigrants and the US.
1. It is meaningless to fight for the rights of ALL the visa holders. Any such attempts would always be resisted by the anti immigrant lobby.
2. Acknowledge their fundamental point of view that jobs are being stolen due to wage destruction and perpetual visa fraud by these outsourcing companies. Of course resist all these racist BS types. They are the just the noise in the immigration debate.
My Proposal
1. Support the Grassley bill in its entirety. If you notice it is those outsourcing companies that are making all the noise but not the genuine companies that use H1B for innovation purposes. These outsourcing neither follow the rules or spirit of the H1B/L1 visas nor provide much of innovation to the market place. There is no point in expecting them to police themselves. We have tried this and they are not here to play by the rules.
2. In fact, provide the concessions to eliminate the H1/L1 visas for these outsourcers. In return, request visa number recapture for the H1Bs who are employed directly by the companies. I strongly believe that if you are a H1B employed directly by the company (not outsourcing cos), it is unlikely that you would be underskilled or underpaid. A few minor expections may be there but we can safely ignore these exceptions.
3. Again, people may argue that some of the consultants are highly skilled too. If that were the case, they would have been or would be hired into a permenant position soon once the Grassley bill passes. No company would like to let go of a good performer irrespective of whether they are permenant employees or contractors.
If you notice, some people echo the sentiment that the Grassley bill would lead to more offshoring. That in my opinion is absolute BS. Only low level jobs would be offshored and in my opinion a h1b visa should not be used for these low level jobs. The high skilled jobs would always stay here and they would not be under wage pressure. The best and the fittest would survive and get the same.
I strongly believe that by providing these concessions, atleast the skilled immigrants would be sparred the trauma of this mindless wait for a GC. I wish to reiterate here that I am neither anti immigration nor anti any ethnicity. I am simply trying to reiterate that we need to lose some to win some. There is no point in the Indian style of negotiations of win all or win none. Let us adapt to the give some take some style of concession building. In this process, it is okay to give up on the interests of those blood sucking outsourcers. For this, I am willing to provide financial, logistical and intellectual support.
By following this route, we prevent wage destruction which is what the anti immigrant lobby is clamouring about. It is a win win for all and a lose situation for the blood suckers
1. It is meaningless to fight for the rights of ALL the visa holders. Any such attempts would always be resisted by the anti immigrant lobby.
2. Acknowledge their fundamental point of view that jobs are being stolen due to wage destruction and perpetual visa fraud by these outsourcing companies. Of course resist all these racist BS types. They are the just the noise in the immigration debate.
My Proposal
1. Support the Grassley bill in its entirety. If you notice it is those outsourcing companies that are making all the noise but not the genuine companies that use H1B for innovation purposes. These outsourcing neither follow the rules or spirit of the H1B/L1 visas nor provide much of innovation to the market place. There is no point in expecting them to police themselves. We have tried this and they are not here to play by the rules.
2. In fact, provide the concessions to eliminate the H1/L1 visas for these outsourcers. In return, request visa number recapture for the H1Bs who are employed directly by the companies. I strongly believe that if you are a H1B employed directly by the company (not outsourcing cos), it is unlikely that you would be underskilled or underpaid. A few minor expections may be there but we can safely ignore these exceptions.
3. Again, people may argue that some of the consultants are highly skilled too. If that were the case, they would have been or would be hired into a permenant position soon once the Grassley bill passes. No company would like to let go of a good performer irrespective of whether they are permenant employees or contractors.
If you notice, some people echo the sentiment that the Grassley bill would lead to more offshoring. That in my opinion is absolute BS. Only low level jobs would be offshored and in my opinion a h1b visa should not be used for these low level jobs. The high skilled jobs would always stay here and they would not be under wage pressure. The best and the fittest would survive and get the same.
I strongly believe that by providing these concessions, atleast the skilled immigrants would be sparred the trauma of this mindless wait for a GC. I wish to reiterate here that I am neither anti immigration nor anti any ethnicity. I am simply trying to reiterate that we need to lose some to win some. There is no point in the Indian style of negotiations of win all or win none. Let us adapt to the give some take some style of concession building. In this process, it is okay to give up on the interests of those blood sucking outsourcers. For this, I am willing to provide financial, logistical and intellectual support.
By following this route, we prevent wage destruction which is what the anti immigrant lobby is clamouring about. It is a win win for all and a lose situation for the blood suckers
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kavita
02-13 07:20 PM
Hi,
I like the idea but I believe at this time it is crucial to continue participation in the letter campaign. If we do not get success through it, I will be glad to participate in the lawsuit. Also, like me, at that time there might be hundreds of people willing to be a part.
I like the idea but I believe at this time it is crucial to continue participation in the letter campaign. If we do not get success through it, I will be glad to participate in the lawsuit. Also, like me, at that time there might be hundreds of people willing to be a part.
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samay
07-21 08:09 PM
Dear Lawyer,
I have applied for my renewal of EAD. Please let me know if I have answered the following correct and if there is anything I can do to rectify if you think these are not the right answers. Thanks in advance for your help,
For question 14, Manner of last entry: " Paroled (AOS) " because that is what will be stamped in my passport and I94 after my entry into US.
For question 15, Current Immigration status: " H1B Worker " because my H1B is valid till 2010 and I never used my EAD or received my green card.
This question says how you entered the US the last time and not how you intend to in the future. My understanding is that you last traveled on your H-1 B therefore, it should say H-1B (please confirm the same with your I-94.)
I have applied for my renewal of EAD. Please let me know if I have answered the following correct and if there is anything I can do to rectify if you think these are not the right answers. Thanks in advance for your help,
For question 14, Manner of last entry: " Paroled (AOS) " because that is what will be stamped in my passport and I94 after my entry into US.
For question 15, Current Immigration status: " H1B Worker " because my H1B is valid till 2010 and I never used my EAD or received my green card.
This question says how you entered the US the last time and not how you intend to in the future. My understanding is that you last traveled on your H-1 B therefore, it should say H-1B (please confirm the same with your I-94.)
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eb3_nepa
10-23 11:34 AM
Hello everyone.
I was wondering if someone could point me to how exactly labor substitution works.
Before anyone starts jumping down my throat, i am JUST looking for documentation on the full process and I DID try looking on the google.
If someone has any article on labor substitution and how it works please post it on here.
I was wondering if someone could point me to how exactly labor substitution works.
Before anyone starts jumping down my throat, i am JUST looking for documentation on the full process and I DID try looking on the google.
If someone has any article on labor substitution and how it works please post it on here.
swo
07-13 10:46 AM
I have no doubt there is high literacy in parts of India. I mentioned Canada's literacy rate in response to a poster's reference to "illiterate Canadians". A poster, who ironically, in that same rant struggled to write a well phrased sentence.
I understand your point, but to me "A good place to live", DOES encompass "a good place to realize your ambitions". It's just a matter of what those ambitions are. Ambitions area not always 100% material. If your ambition is to enjoy a solid income by the ocean in good weather, Toronto cannot offer that. But if it is to create an IT fortune, Cairnes, Australia probably isn't the right place for you. "Good" is different for all of us.
The indexes mentioned are just a loose measuring stick that compare a bunch of safety, infrastructure, health, lifestyle and opportunity assessments and try to apply some metrics to them. All I'm saying is, there's good and bad everywhere, and Canada, always rates highly.
Like you however, I'm here because I like it here. Frankly, after Canada, the weather in California is too hard to give up :)
In the end, as you say, it's all objective.
I don't know much about Canada, but wanted to point out that the Indian state of Kerala also has one of the top literacy rates in the world. And an excellent healthcare system. (Apparently, the expected lifespan of a Keralite woman is longer than that of women in the developed world. And something like 94-95% of babies in Kerala are hospital delivered.) Also, Kerala pays unemployment benefits to educated-unemployed youth; much like Canada. (See wikipedia or google for sources and citations.) Yet, Kerala is certainly nowhere near the top of the list of desired immigration destinations; in fact, Kerala likely has the largest proportion of natives working outside the state.
"A good place to live" does not necessarily translate to "a good place to bring your ambitions to life." (E.g., Kerala also has one of the highest suicide rates.) That's my point.
Anyways, good luck to those who want to move to Canada. IV is all about helping us work on our legal immigration to the US. So I don't think this is the appropriate venue for those who want to go to Canada.
I understand your point, but to me "A good place to live", DOES encompass "a good place to realize your ambitions". It's just a matter of what those ambitions are. Ambitions area not always 100% material. If your ambition is to enjoy a solid income by the ocean in good weather, Toronto cannot offer that. But if it is to create an IT fortune, Cairnes, Australia probably isn't the right place for you. "Good" is different for all of us.
The indexes mentioned are just a loose measuring stick that compare a bunch of safety, infrastructure, health, lifestyle and opportunity assessments and try to apply some metrics to them. All I'm saying is, there's good and bad everywhere, and Canada, always rates highly.
Like you however, I'm here because I like it here. Frankly, after Canada, the weather in California is too hard to give up :)
In the end, as you say, it's all objective.
I don't know much about Canada, but wanted to point out that the Indian state of Kerala also has one of the top literacy rates in the world. And an excellent healthcare system. (Apparently, the expected lifespan of a Keralite woman is longer than that of women in the developed world. And something like 94-95% of babies in Kerala are hospital delivered.) Also, Kerala pays unemployment benefits to educated-unemployed youth; much like Canada. (See wikipedia or google for sources and citations.) Yet, Kerala is certainly nowhere near the top of the list of desired immigration destinations; in fact, Kerala likely has the largest proportion of natives working outside the state.
"A good place to live" does not necessarily translate to "a good place to bring your ambitions to life." (E.g., Kerala also has one of the highest suicide rates.) That's my point.
Anyways, good luck to those who want to move to Canada. IV is all about helping us work on our legal immigration to the US. So I don't think this is the appropriate venue for those who want to go to Canada.
_TrueFacts
09-03 11:50 PM
Just a shame on you to talk like this about dead man.
Dead or alive..facts are facts! Do you have a point to make?
Dead or alive..facts are facts! Do you have a point to make?